firearms threw the mail

blacknhidden · #1 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 07:59 PM

Just a quick question, My buddy was thinking the other day and he was wondering, sence in the USA fully automatic weapons are illegal for citicians to have if he could buy all the parts to a ak -47 for instantance and have each part mailed to his house and his friends houses (to aviod suspion(sp) till he has all the parts to asemble a fully automatic ak-47. Tell me what you guys think. thanks alot

Jeff

Gobiggi · #2 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 08:18 PM

sounds good, if he trys it let us know how it went

-inefficiency- · #3 (**permalink**) 08-10-2006, 07:58 AM

I highly doubt this will work to be honest...

blacknhidden · #4 (**permalink**) 08-10-2006, 03:54 PM

Why do you doubt it will work? Do you think the goverment or the postal service will see a patern?

-inefficiency- · #5 (**permalink**) 08-10-2006, 04:34 PM

Well, there are metal parts in guns that you do not find in any other pieces of machinery. I mean, if it goes through a metal detector or whatever and they recognise whatever the part is - you're fucked.

And a lot of the parts would be very very obvious to recognise - Just think about trying to mail the barrel or the stock.

db · #6 (**permalink**) 08-10-2006, 07:26 PM

Its not illegal to ship gun parts in the United States. So I see no reason why this won't work.

virus · #7 (**permalink**) 08-10-2006, 07:42 PM

If the parts are bought from different places and by different then it could very well work :P Just hope it does since they'll probably label him a terrorist for having a fully automatic AK-47

custombass · #8 (**permalink**) 08-10-2006, 11:58 PM

I think it would work, its ot like hes trying to sneak parts through an airport, just mailing em...

But then again, youd have an unregistered firearm, and iunno if the government would like that very much

Random · #9 (**permalink**) 08-11-2006, 12:23 AM

Isn't it also illegal to act on an intention to break a law (the law being, owning an automatic firearm)?

blacknhidden · #10 (**permalink**) 08-11-2006, 01:52 AM

If he picked up (in person) the stock and barrel from someone insted of haveing it mailed that would probably work right?

Random-Yes your right but if he picked the part up in person (that makes it fully automatic) i dont think anyone would catch them, and IMO not everyone at the post office is a firearms expert and can tell parts of a certain gun that are semi/fully automatic. For all they know those are parts to an a/c unit

Wurm · #11 (**permalink**) 08-11-2006, 07:33 AM

Sure it might work... but I doubt its worth it. Do you have several thousand dollars to use to go through with this plan? That's what it would end up costing for the pieces to a gun action, barrel and stock, plus the shipping from god-knows-where. In addition to that, most of the pieces youd be buying would probably be from a demilled gun(s). So the barrel would be filled with lead, the ramps on the action would be altered to cause jamming as soon as a round chambered, etc. So the gun you assemble would probably not even fire for a variety of reasons, and I'm not sure you could deduce what the problem or multiple problems are, as I'm not so sure you are familiar with a working firearm like that. You'd probably end up having to pay for custom made moving parts for this gun, from a machinist... not cheap. AND THEN you have the problem of buying 7.62mm rounds. My local sporting goods store doesnt sell them, like most places, and the army surplus wont sell them unless in bulk... which also isnt cheap, and is probably alittle suspicious.

So meh... Can't win 'em all... I'm still having a hard time trying to get a legal folding stock for my shotgun...

blacknhidden · #12 (**permalink**) 08-11-2006, 09:21 AM

Were do you live? Were i live in the Us they are legal. If you have some metal working/welding skills it would be possible to make one

scorpz911 · #13 (**permalink**) 08-11-2006, 06:47 PM

Good luck with it, really, an interesting idea, but thats an awful lot of money and effort if it doesnt work. Why not just buy a semi-auto AK (Which is legal) and convert it. If you're good enough with guns to build one from scratch this would be no problem.

blacknhidden · #14 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 01:15 AM

I have made a fully automatic 10/22 with a 50 round clip. Not by any means to be used for self defence because its only a 22. but its sure fun to shoot. I dont have much experiance with Ak's but im sure it could be done.

custombass · #15 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 03:38 AM

Im sure that if you did the research and measured twice before you do anything, i think it would work out well

Seems a lot better than the getting it through the mail thing, whilest not a bad idea, it still did have some big potential flaws

blacknhidden · #16 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 12:54 PM

Yeah i agree. It was just a half baked idea me and my friend came up with. If it was reasurched and everything i dont dought it could be done without the gov. or police noticeing. But ill probably just buy a semi..

I just need the money for a nice Ak or a Sks

scorpz911 · #17 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 01:58 PM

I bet you could still put someone down with it, .22 isnt necessarily any less deadly, of course you wont have the knockdown power. Then again, you wouldnt be able to carry your AK around with you anyways, if you're looking for a self-defense weapon, you can't beat a good .45 sidearm.

blacknhidden · #18 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 02:21 PM

When you can shoot 22. fully automatic im sure it would drop an intruder fairly fast. 45. is a good self defence sidearm, So is 40. It seems that handgun ammo has more of a Range then high powered rifles. When it comes to going threw things. A high power rifle round dumps all its power on impact and expands extremely fast and most of the time wont go threw more then 2 feet of meat, depending on the cal. When 9mm rounds will go directly threw 2ft of meat.

Jago · #19 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 03:11 PM

personally i think there is a fair chance you may get into shit. 5.56mm and 7.62mm rounds are meant to kill, not wound, but kill. Even a hit to the thigh can and will kill. I think it'd be a BIT over the top for self defence, but just quietly i'd love to own an AK47

(or an AK-103).
But yea, i know sure as shit that you wouldn't get away with it here in Australia

blacknhidden · #20 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 03:33 PM

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It was just an idea me and my friends came up with. Yeah i know those rounds are extremely deadly, thats why the middle east uses them. My friend jason joked about me sending a gun to his friend who lives a few states down and i told him there is no way the post office would let him do that and he joked about sending bits and pieces over time threw the mail. adventiouly being able to assemble a full working pistol. Then i thought about if it was possible to send an AK threw the mail. Just wanted everyone elses idea on it. I now see its impractical and very possible to get cought.

scorpz911 · #21 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 10:18 PM

The assualt weapons ban is up though.

You can now get a thompson submachine gun with the drum clip, or a Barret rifle. (Scoped .50 cal rifle)

On a side note, there is a shooting range down the street from me where you can rent and shoot just about any gun known to man (Yes, all the classics, MP5, HK 36, M16, AK, etc etc) all the way up to a .50 cal machine gun that you take in the field out back.

Yeah, I know it sounds like Im full of shit, I didnt believe people when they told me about it either. But I went, and they weren't lying. I can't describe the giddy feeling you get when you walk into a room and see those kinds of weapons hanging on the wall. Even better is when they hand you the box of ammo and tell you to have fun.

Random · #22 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by blacknhidden

Not by any means to be used for self defence

Hahaha...that would be funny. Someone walking down the street, with an AK-47 hanging off their shoulder for self-defense purposes...can you picture it?

Disclaimer: I'm drunk. Disregard the above.

blacknhidden · #23 (**permalink**) 08-14-2006, 01:36 AM

lol i wonder why when everyone is drunk they get on bombshock lol, its a habit i guess

custombass · #24 (**permalink**) 08-14-2006, 04:25 AM

Everyone please rise and state the bombshock oath

I, (state your handle), do solemly swear, to login in to bombshock, when sober or on cloud 9, and post whatever I feel like, and forgive when others do the same.

---------back on topic----------

i dont think you could get away with that being a self defence weapon... i get in trouble when i have boxcutters and im wearing my carpentry belt >_<

blacknhidden · #25 (**permalink**) 08-14-2006, 02:27 PM

I, blacknhidden, do solemly swear, to login in to bombshock, when sober or on cloud 9, and post whatever I feel like, and forgive when others do the same.

Psychonaut · #26 (**permalink**) 08-15-2006, 08:19 AM

What is everyone's bias against .22? What other amunition is more compact? Easy to carry. I met a guy yesterday who, in a hunting accident was shot in the obliques with a .22. He was in a coma for a fortnight and four years on, he still has to wear a sandbag to counteract for no muscles.

Also blacknhidden - bullets arent _meant_ to go through more than 2 feet of flesh, if they do, they arent doing the damage that they should.

blacknhidden · #27 (**permalink**) 08-15-2006, 12:50 PM

My 9mm round will. I'm positive on that one, i did my own little test a year or so back.

back to the topic.

I think why everyone looks down upon the .22 is because there are some air guns and co2 guns that have a higher FPS rate. Therefor you now have a .22 that you can shoot and make a little noise, or you can shoot a co2 gun and make allmost no noise (depending on how much co2 is in it)
Would it be possible to shoot someone in the head with a co2 gun and kill them? Just wondering, it just came to mind.

Synchronium · #28 (**permalink**) 08-15-2006, 12:54 PM

I'm pretty sure a .22 pellet through the eye would at least drop someone, especially from a rifle.
Dead or not, I wouldn't wanna get up after that.

I think I'd prefer a CO2 powered pellet gun (pistol) than a real hand gun. You know you won't kill people, and squeezing off two rounds or so into their thigh will make them think twice about advancing.

There was also something floating round a while back about pressing acetone peroxide into pellets, which make a beautiful crater in anything they hit.

virus · #29 (**permalink**) 08-15-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blacknhidden

My 9mm round will. I'm positive on that one, i did my own little test a year or so back.

back to the topic.

I think why everyone looks down upon the .22 is because there are some air guns and co2 guns that have a higher FPS rate. Therefor you now have a .22 that you can shoot and make a little noise, or you can shoot a co2 gun and make allmost no noise (depending on how much co2 is in it)
Would it be possible to shoot someone in the head with a co2 gun and kill them? Just wondering, it just came to mind.

As stated above the reason that the rifle bullet wont go trough more is that it's meant to deliver it's energy to the target and not continue it's way trough it. So in other words your pistol lacks stopping power.

Also the velocity of the bullet is higher on rifles which makes the bullet deform more on impact. For example, you'll be safe if you're underwater about 2m and somebody shoots you with a rifle or say barret .50 since with that velocity the water is like stone and the bullet disintigrates. Now if they were shooting with pistols you'd probably end up dead :P

It's completely possible to kill somebody with a co2 gun providing you hit a weak spot like an eye. Now if you have some nice poisons around they can be one of the best assassination weapons out there, just make a nice needle bullet and it will go trough even a kevlar west and of course produces minimal sound (which can usually be reduced to none with a silencer)

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Originally Posted by Synchronium

There was also something floating round a while back about pressing acetone peroxide into pellets, which make a beautiful crater in anything they hit.

That could work but I doubt it would make a crater. To be on the safe side I'd coat it with something to reduce the chance of exploding in the barrel from friction.

blacknhidden · #30 (**permalink**) 08-15-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Synchronium

There was also something floating round a while back about pressing acetone peroxide into pellets, which make a beautiful crater in anything they hit.

Just dipping them in acetone?

Yes and co2 pistols will shatter car glass with no problem whats so ever so im sure it would go about a 1/4 inch into your tight. That would mostlikely stop me from advanceing any further.