Legally owning an RPG

Dark_Knight · #1 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 04:20 PM

According to our right, we have the right to bear arms. Therefor we should legally be able to own any type of firearm. Am i not correct?

So i was planning on going down into cambodia and purchasing an RPG for all of $500 and shipping it back to my house in the states (dismantled first and i will reassemble it when it arrives)

Now the only things im concerned about are:

1)What if i send it over seas and then use Fed EX (since they arent really regulated by the US government and dont really have screenings for items. Hints why people send laced stuff through them.) Will it arrive safely and will it work?

2)Are we technically allowed to own a ROG regardless if we own or dont own any ammo for it? I know a guy that sells the ammo for it (he gets it off the base hes on)

3)Will the cops are SWAT or some shit like that come down to my house because i sent one to myself?

I've been dying to know the answers to this question for a while.

Anarchist · #2 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 04:27 PM

Wow, the feds would most definitly come down on you, if it was that easy to get an RPG, I think you'd be seein alot more terrorist attacks.

RoundElephant · #3 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 10:06 PM

If your asking if it is illegal yes it is. If you are asking if you get caught, probably.

It is illegal to send any firearm to yourself from out of the country.

And there is no point in owning one.

bloodlusta · #4 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 10:32 PM

The right to bear arms does not entitle you to any weapon you wish to have. grow up. You will be caught and charged

RoundElephant · #5 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 04:06 AM

You could probably make a home made rpg much easier.

D00M · #6 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 05:02 AM

There's a difference between arms and explosives. You can hunt or use arms as self defense. Trying doing either with a RPG and you're pretty fucked up. Also RPGs are used to destroy vehicles and light armor so wouldn't a few people be asking what your were planning on doing with it? If by some miracle it made it through the border and you weren't charged, then you probably would be shot on sight if anyone saw it...Finally, RPGs aren't good for anything unless you're planning to wage a war.

RoundElephant · #7 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by D00M

There's a difference between arms and explosives. You can hunt or use arms as self defense. Trying doing either with a RPG and you're pretty fucked up. Also RPGs are used to destroy vehicles and light armor so wouldn't a few people be asking what your were planning on doing with it? If by some miracle it made it through the border and you weren't charged, then you probably would be shot on sight if anyone saw it...Finally, RPGs aren't good for anything unless you're planning to wage a war.

He could probably cripple or destroy an armored truck and collect the money.

D00M · #8 (**permalink**) 01-14-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RoundElephant

He could probably cripple or destroy an armored truck and collect the money.

Alright, theft and murder. Two more reasons why RPGs would NOT be allowed in the country.

FerretBone · #9 (**permalink**) 01-14-2009, 06:44 PM

I’d like to see you field strip a launch tube, and it not still look like a launcher
There are already rocket launchers in the US that are legal to buy for a price. Getting ammo legally is a problem. Well getting ammo period.

The packages that have the best chance of not being screened, fly as shipping cargo on most major airlines right under a full plane of passengers. Airliners rent space for shipping along side your luggage . And rarely can screen it all.

If you ship something from Cambodia there is a 99% chance it will be screened. If it were shipped from say Canada, then there’s a better chance it will not.

Gun powder residue will be the most likely red flag in screening. If it made it’s way through without being discovered visually then it would still likely be spotted after they detect gun powder somewhere in route.

Lets just say it did arrive at your door unseen. Then the cargo container used to ship it will pop up hot on another flight because of gun powder residue left behind. They will check that container and all items on the flight and find nothing. Then they will go back to the previous flight, and records looking for what was in that container. Next they trace every item to it’s finial address. I say every item but they would have it narrowed down buy then to only a few suspicious packages. Being from Cambodia and the shape of a launcher, who shipped it, who received it etc would all be used to quickly give then some ideal of what to look for. They know where to look because everything has a traceable record. Where it was and where it went.

In short even if it made it to your home, it’s only a matter of time before the FBI, the ATF, TSA, Customs, everybody!! Would know something has come into the US because something around your package screened hot for gun powder on other flight, and they will not stop until they trace it down.

Between your base buddy, you and your lack of knowledge I’m confident you’ll be caught.
Not to mention your probably already in an ATF data base in Washington because of your search on the web with key words like,

Cambodia
purchasing
RPG
shipping back
the states

It’s filed away and normally never looked at unless something goes missing, a bomb attack, some sort of mild panic like the one your going to cause. The point is that you are already a suspect. They just don’t know yet.

TSA, Fed Ex, UPS, and airliner are not really looking for small amounts of drugs. That’s why it would be so easy to send lased items via shipping. You better believe they look for explosives and anything associated with them.

The only way to get something in these days is to walk it over the boarder your self.

killerofall · #10 (**permalink**) 01-19-2009, 09:21 AM

You can own an RPG but you would have to buy one as an NFA weapon wich requires a $200 tax and a atleast a 3 month wait for the approval. It would be considered a destrucive device and so would each round for it so each round would also require a $200 tax and a long wait. If you want it legal that its. I have no idea what an RPG cost thats legal but it wont be $500.

bloodlusta · #11 (**permalink**) 01-19-2009, 08:11 PM

I don't know how you would use it, as the 'warhead' is the most costly part of it and im sure you know its only good for one shot. That is 3 seconds of very expensive fun, unless you are planning an up raising or something like that.

Timm · #12 (**permalink**) 02-08-2009, 09:59 PM

...Yeah havin one "buried out back" would be awesome, you never know. And who said armored truck? Naughty! I just so happen to be in the final stages of assembly of my own rocket launcher, it should be pretty bad ass. I went electric, switch trigger, firing pins and sears are such a pain in the ass without a fully-outfitted shop!

It'll be cool, but not like armored truck cool. The average vehicle, however... and to a greater extent, the average vehicle's operator/passengers.. you could not stay focused or even on the road after a hit. Catch one on a window, and your party's over for a while, maybe forever. Like i'll ever need that kinda capability but... Its fun, girls dig explosions, your guy friends will love it and nobody else wants to fuck with you!!

Largest commercial fishing fleet in the states= safety regulations, which stipulate a certan amount of flares be on board, most of which are of the rocket persuasion. Made of aluminum, they're 1.5", bout a foot long, and carry a heavy-ass flare to about 1000'.... And they go out of date after a year or so, and are practically worthless to a boat owner then. So I get em!!
They kick ass. Building a rocket launcher is way easier and more fun when you have an unlimited supply of high performance (lives depend on these!) phenolic-based composite propellant rockets... Ah the charmed life of the luckiest pyro.

Steve_TPF · #13 (**permalink**) 02-09-2009, 09:22 AM

That's a damn good idea. Legally available ammo, made to standards the home builder couldn't match. All the fun of shooting rockets with minimal risk.

Let us know how it goes. Pictures would be nice.

FerretBone · #14 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 07:34 AM

Legal RPG for sell in the US. Get your wallet out.

RUSSIAN RPG7d PARA. ----- A SELDOM SEEN LIVE RPG7d ......TAKE DOWN PARATROOPER MODEL. THE FIREARM IS IN CHOICE CONDITION AND COMPLETE.... THE RPG 7 OR 7d LIVE IS ALMOST NEVER OFFERED, COMPLETE AND ORIGINAL -- PURPORTED TO BE FROM LEBANON.... THERE IS ARABIC WRITING ON THE WEAPON WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO TRANSLATE TO "HEADQUARTERS COMPANY 2"....ITEM IS DATE CODED.... COMPLETE WITH RPG BACKPACK AND LEATHER GUN MUZZLE COVER.

Emial for price.... mailto:INFO@AUTOWEAPONS.COM?subject=RPG LAUNCHER

MACHINE GUNS FOR SALE - AUTOWEAPONS.COM

Also for sell a training RPG.

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Steve_TPF · #15 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 08:52 AM

Nice work Ferret. Any idea what one of those is worth? They don't look cheap...

Timm · #16 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 10:04 AM

Oh god... look at those things. Must be thousands, especially to be had legally.. And really, how is that possible? Seriously? (..wait till Pelosi gets a loada this..)

And lookin at it, how does it not fuck you up when you shoot it? These things don't shoot outta there like a bottle rocket, seems more like a barely controlled explosion then its gone! Looks like its right by your face.

Mmmm yes, the flare rockets are very sweet, and will definately put out. One thing is that they come with flat nose uh..caps, (well one brand does..) while it is clear to about 90% of the population that a nosecone would afford better ballistics. Ideally I would like to turn some out of basswood or something. This place is covered with giant spruce, that would work, yellow cedar..whatever. Stronger than balsa.

You could really go to town with these things, I wanted to use 19 gram or whatever co2 things with the threads for warheads..whistle mix, top of cartridge short fused and inserted into rocket end, rounded bottom drilled out and fitted with a shotgun primer..Airsoft BB siliconed to it.. you get the idea. Impact fuzed with a backup plan. Flash (without the co2 of course) would be...safer? More dangerous? Other than that.. I don't really see myself riveting together some copper liners, throwing it on a mandrel, pressing in 38 grams of ETN, securing a homemade cap in the center, ect. ...But something about knowing how it'd be done makes a man feel good!

Steve_TPF · #17 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 05:32 AM

Indeed it does. The flares are easy though, and almost guaranteed not to blow up in your face - always a risk with home-made rockets.

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Originally Posted by Timm

And lookin at it, how does it not fuck you up when you shoot it? These things don't shoot outta there like a bottle rocket, seems more like a barely controlled explosion then its gone! Looks like its right by your face.

Couldn't find a reference (about to leave home, no time to look,) but I believe they use an explosive charge for the initial launch, like a recoilless rifle, with the blast going out the rear of the launch tube. The rocket engine ignites a few meters away, once clear of the operator.

I'm sure FerretBone can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Timm · #18 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 01:51 PM

Hmmm.... good enough for the girls I date. I think the flare rockets will take off with a lot less of a "Holy Shit Factor" than the real deal aforepictured.. Don't have to worry about the exhaust peeling any skin off. I'll solder those wires and take a pic soon..But its just a prototype, won't look as badass as the flamethrower!

AngryAngry · #19 (**permalink**) 02-14-2009, 01:51 PM

What the f*ck do you want to do with an RPG ? Blow up the president? Shoot down the moon ?

Timm · #20 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 05:49 AM

Easy!: Like i'll ever need that kinda capability but... Its fun, girls dig explosions, your guy friends will love it and nobody else wants to fuck with you!!

FerretBone · #21 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve_TPF

Indeed it does. The flares are easy though, and almost guaranteed not to blow up in your face - always a risk with home-made rockets.

Couldn't find a reference (about to leave home, no time to look,) but I believe they use an explosive charge for the initial launch, like a recoilless rifle, with the blast going out the rear of the launch tube. The rocket engine ignites a few meters away, once clear of the operator.

I'm sure FerretBone can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Your right Steve, as the round is shooting out the tube the propeller kicks on and takes over. It happens so quickly that there is no period of time that the round is without power.
Unlike the footage you may have seen with the Javelin firing. The Javelin the missile round explodes out the tube about 8-10 feet in the air then, just before it begins to fall back to the ground the rocket kicks on basically in your face and violently takes off.

I fired one live Javelin in training. I went to Javelin school for two weeks and at the end of the course I was able to fire the real deal. I think it’s something like $130,000 a round.
Its amazing how easy it is to hit a moving target over 2000 meters away, even at night. I know its range is a lot further, but its one of those weapons that is limited by its own sights.

The RPG7 in the US is going to cost between $20,000-$30,000.
That may seem like a broad range in price, but there are only 7-10 of them registered in the US. I say 7-10 because that seems to be what the gun community agrees on. If a few RPG owners decide to sell at the same time then they sell lower. If there is only one guy selling then he can ask for more. That plus not knowing for sure how many are really out there (legally registered) makes the price fluid.

The 134 mini-gun sells for about $200,000 because there are only 8 registered in the US. We know that for sure . But the mini-gun used in T2 and Matrix sold for 300,000 because of its history. Guess what! Now all the mini-guns are selling for $300,000. Rich firearm collectors suck.

TPK · #22 (**permalink**) 03-04-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Knight

According to our right, we have the right to bear arms. Therefor we should legally be able to own any type of firearm. Am i not correct?

You are not correct. We have the right to bear arms, but because of Fair Game laws, there are obviously going to be restrictions on what you can and can't own. For example, you can't own any fully-automatic weapons. and, admitting, I'm not 100% positive, I'm fairly certain that RPGs would fit under the "not allowed to own" category.

Also, you don't think that FedEx has to go through customs? Of course they do.

My suggestion to you would be to analyze your states gun laws(you could find these on the DNR website for your state) and think of a better way that you could ship it to yourself, for example, buying a nonworking one and then jerry-rig it to work, much like people will do with the Semi-Automatic weapons they buy to turn them into Fully-Automatic.

ruzz · #23 (**permalink**) 03-07-2009, 03:38 AM

If you live in the right state, are in the mood for lots of paperwork, have a powerful lust for having various gov agencies go over every aspect of your personal life and have $200 for a transfer tax you can purchase a "machine gun" made before 1986

shetlan · #24 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 04:10 AM

It's funny. American citizens have the right to bear arms because the founders recognized that the goverment could turn on its people and the people would need the capability to fight back - they learned this from experience when the British started siezing their weapons just before the revolution.

This being the motivation, one would assume that so-called "military grade" weapons would be commonplace - and yet automatic weapons, explosives, RPG's, and even some high caliber weapons (in some states) are banned.

Could it be that the liberals are trying to "disarm" the citizens in anticipation of a dictatorship? I tell ya', it's an Obama-nation.

bloodlusta · #25 (**permalink**) 03-17-2009, 07:04 AM

Oh cause because the removal of Army grade weapons has nothing to do with the fact that they are being sold to Mexico to aid in the drug wars. It must be that the government is trying to control you.

shetlan · #26 (**permalink**) 03-17-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodlusta

Oh cause because the removal of Army grade weapons has nothing to do with the fact that they are being sold to Mexico to aid in the drug wars. It must be that the government is trying to control you.

If the removal of so called "military grade" weapons was a recent event - then yes that would be a valid argument, but it's not.

Automatic weapons have been banned in the United States since 1934, long before the drug wars in Mexico became a prevalent concern. They where banned because people where using them in robberies during the depression. This had no effect of course; the criminals got autiomatic weapons anyway and robberies continued.

The fact is, banning automatic weapons isn't going to stop the drug wars in Mexico either. The massive corruption in Mexico is the problem, not the specific weapons being used in the conflicts. If the weapons don't come from the US, they'll come from Columbia or Russia or one of the many arms dealers in Africa.

As the old saying goes: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
The same applies to this conversation: "When RPGs are outlawed, only outlaws will have RPGs."

headcase · #27 (**permalink**) 03-22-2009, 08:04 PM

All very interesting but a bit abstract for this more practical thread. Let's not discuss the ethics of the law but rather the legal acquirement of an RPG. This is a really interesting thread and I don't want to sidetrack it with thing's we've already discussed elsewhere. If you want to go on, find one of the other threads. I think "Obama bans guns" is the most recent one.

CaptainTesticles666 · #28 (**permalink**) 03-27-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodlusta

Oh cause because the removal of Army grade weapons has nothing to do with the fact that they are being sold to Mexico to aid in the drug wars. It must be that the government is trying to control you.

Yes. Even with the NRA, there isn't anyone who wants you to be able to rebel. I think you're going to have to avoid getting caught, not try to get it legally.