-- Posted by The Great Milenko on 4:52 am on Feb. 14, 2002 I was just wondering if anyone has any experiences with this booster explosive? I already know how to make it and i would gladly post it for anyone else who is still going "WTF is he on about?!", because i'm planning to make some as soon as i get ahold of some KN03, if anyone could give me some feedback and what not it'd be greatly appreciated :), BTW even though it is a booster could i still just set it off with a fuse, or would i need a cap? -- Posted by preditor on 2:38 pm on Feb. 15, 2002 if you tell us what the materials used are, someone may be able to recognize the substance. The KNO3 is basic, what else is in it? -- Posted by somefukinsnapov on 1:01 am on Feb. 16, 2002 MILENKO           I THINK I FALL INTO THE "WTF IS HE ON ABOUT " CATEGORIE AS A GREAT AUSSIE POLITICIAN ONCE SAID   ;) PLEASE EXPLAIN;) -- Posted by Hergor on 12:29 pm on Feb. 16, 2002 yeah, might be worth a look. tell us about it... -- Posted by jmb1125 on 5:26 pm on Feb. 16, 2002 YES.....Milenko....... I worked on a fireworks show and set up powdered milk special effect it was like this: 5 gallon plastic bucket, electric match taped to the center (inside). Then poured 1lb sporting grade black powcer over the electric match. On top of that, was 4 1qt. jars of "Creamora" brand coffee creamer powder poured loosely on top of the loose black powder. On top of that (sigh, dribbling on here) "Calf starter" which is powdered livestock milk supplement. filled to the top of five gallon bucket. (whew). The overall effect was not that great. Considering this took a $7.00 can of black powder & about $16.00 worth of coffee creamer & however much the calf starter cost. All it did was make a big fireball. -- Posted by pyroman on 11:55 pm on Feb. 17, 2002 creamora sucks use naphthalene and you will get much better effects -- Posted by jmb1125 on 12:16 am on Feb. 18, 2002 pyroman, it did suck seemed kinda lame/gay. -- Posted by Zambosan on 9:41 am on Feb. 19, 2002 Milenko isn't talking about a cremora fireball, it's actually a high explosive.  I *think* the compound is casein nitrate, formed from the casein (a protein) in the milk nitrating in the presence of nitric acid.  I don't know anything about its DV, sensitivity, stability, etc. since there isn't an awful lot of literature on it. -- Posted by ilovekayla on 9:12 pm on Feb. 20, 2002 I would like to hear about this also... do elaborate farther -- Posted by The Great Milenko on 5:48 am on Feb. 21, 2002 LOL! yeah...i'm not talking about no powdered milk fireball shiat! The only real literature i've read about it is the improvised primary explosives manual, zam's right about the basic premise behind it, i can post a link to where i got the imp primary explosives book, but i have to find it first, i'll get back to you soon. -- Posted by ilovekayla on 6:49 pm on Feb. 22, 2002 thanks... -- Posted by jmb1125 on 11:43 pm on Feb. 22, 2002 do you have a primary to set off your booster? -- Posted by The Great Milenko on 10:45 pm on Feb. 23, 2002 No, from what i know (which is minimal on this subject) a booster is set off by the blast cap and in turn works with the blast cap to detonate the primary, you'd only really need a booster if you were trying detonate alot of a hard to detonate H.E say ANFO for instance, right? Oh btw, would it be possible to plasticise this milk booster and detonate it with a large AP or perhaps HMTD cap? Zam? :) -- Posted by jmb1125 on 12:15 am on Feb. 24, 2002 TGM, if i'm not mistaken, the cap is the primary. the booster is needed (like u said) to hot-shot the anfo. like this... cap/booster/anfo. Zam? -- Posted by The Great Milenko on 12:55 am on Feb. 24, 2002 Ahh, i see, well what would the anfo come under, other than H.E? secondary maybe? i hate to sounds newbish but i've just got my info on this sorta thing from bits and peices of what i've read, there should be some sorta newb giude to set this sorta thing straight earlier. -- Posted by jmb1125 on 11:06 am on Feb. 24, 2002 yeah ok i got copy that. what i know comes from the u.s. army's improvised munitions handbook. fairly reliable info, right? sounds like you have quite a bit of work to do just to go high order. that's why i like flash. -- Posted by The Great Milenko on 12:51 am on Feb. 25, 2002 lol yeah i like to run before i can walk, but i still learn as much as possible about the thing i'm going to make beforehand, i'd make flash but i dont have acsess to KN03, lol yet i can make a H.E like AP, how ironic. -- Posted by Zambosan on 10:28 am on Feb. 25, 2002 Again, I don't know much about casein nitrate, but I imagine any primary ought to reliably set it off its called a booster.  Yes, the ANFO would be referred to as the "secondary" charge... even when a "booster" is used as an intermediate.  I s'pose it's just for consistency, so you're not calling it a secondary charge in one application and a "tertiary" in another.  Other booster explosives include picric acid, tetryl, pure RDX, DDNP, and PETN.  The improvised munitions manual *is* a good book, but remember who it was written for and whether or not they're disposable. :)  Not a lot of safety info there... e.g. picric acid is toxic, and during manufacture you'll get dark red nitrogen trioxide fumes that are *poisonous*... -- Posted by jmb1125 on 6:33 pm on Feb. 25, 2002 thanks, Zam. like the bit about "disposable" and understand clearly. :)  i have safety manual from naval ordnance laboratory, for safe handling, mfg. procedures. Milenko doesn't though. :0 -- Posted by The Great Milenko on 8:09 pm on Feb. 25, 2002 Yeah, i guess i'm lucky i didnt try any shit from the AC in my earlier years of learning about explosives and pyrotechnics, i doubt i'd be here today, but thats not to say that i'm not safe now thou! :( Anyway thanx for the info zam, but could someone answer my question about weather or not it would work to plasticise this milk booster and detonate it with a big AP cap? i would'nt really be using it to detonate anything if i plasticised it, but i'm rather intruiged at the idea, if i did use it to detonate anything it would probably be anfo, cause that's probably the only explosive i could obtain that needs either a really big cap or a medium sorta cap and a booster, but would anfo really need a booster? or would a cap of maybe a matchbox full of ap work just as well? -- Posted by jmb1125 on 9:39 pm on Feb. 25, 2002 (I know I'm not Zam) :)  allow me to butt-inski here. yes anfo would absolutely need a booster because it is one of the "sleepiest" blends around. I know in pit mining they use anfo, and they use a cap stuck into about 4oz. of either C4, dyna, RDX, comp B, or any such substance to act as the booster. In the hole it goes, and then the anfo on top of that. Zam will "tune me up" if I'm mistaken :) -- Posted by The Great Milenko on 2:36 am on Feb. 26, 2002 lol, yeah i think your right about the anfo, but perhaps zam could finally answer my question about plasticising it perhaps?! -- Posted by Zambosan on 11:41 am on Feb. 26, 2002 You could probably still get it to detonate even after plasticizing it with some kind of binder... a plasticizer will usually reduce the sensitivity as compared to pressing, since the explosive particles are not in as close proximity... but AP packs a decent punch. -- Posted by The Great Milenko on 12:17 am on Feb. 27, 2002 But could i use vaseline as a binder? -- Posted by Zambosan on 9:29 am on Feb. 27, 2002 Don't see why not, there shouldn't be any incompatability... -- Posted by johnny 99 on 12:26 am on Mar. 20, 2002 I would really like to see that link. I belive that hide glue is pretty much nothing but casein which might save you reducing down the milk? although I can't really say without seeing the recipe. By the way, speaking for the military set, I don't appreciate that expendable crack. BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING TRUE!!!     http://www.bombshock.com