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— Posted by Gandalf the Gray on 8:29 pm on Nov. 15, 2001

i heard about one with salt peter (potassium nitrate) and sugar but i cant find it anywhere an want to know how to get saltpeter or make any other smokebombs

— Posted by dellexo on 9:34 pm on Nov. 15, 2001

Have you tried potasium/sodium chlorate and sugar?.Make sure you have an excess of sugar compaired to the oxidiser,otherwise it will just flair up.

— Posted by Gandalf the Gray on 6:00 pm on Nov. 16, 2001

what ratio do you use and how do you light it
you mean salt and sugar right? would that make the oxidizer the salt  or something else

(Edited by Gandalf the Gray at 5:02 pm on Nov. 17, 2001)

— Posted by dellexo on 12:57 pm on Nov. 18, 2001

Are you thinking of common salt(sodium chloride)?.Sodium/potasium chlorate are not the same as sodium/potasium chloride.The chlorate salts are strong oxidizing agents which give the neccesary oxygen to the sugar mix.If you do a mixture with say 70% chlorate and 30% sugar and ignite it,the mixture will produce loads of thick white smoke.If you mix at 50/50 and confine in strong container,it will explode with great force.:biggrin: Bye the way,these ratio’s are only a rougth guide just experiment to get the best ratio.

— Posted by 7th Street on 1:07 pm on Nov. 18, 2001

Hey, is salt peter the same shit used to salt roads when they ice over?

— Posted by dellexo on 1:32 pm on Nov. 18, 2001

Salt peter is potasium nitrate,Its not the same as rock salt,i suppose road salt could contain small amounts of potasium nitrate but thats just a guese,:sad:

— Posted by The Great Milenko on 3:28 am on Nov. 28, 2001

you can get salt petre (thats not a typo it’s how it’s spelt just thought you’d like to know) at any gardening store under the name of nitrate of potash
here are two recipes for smoke bombs that i know of (both of which i copied out of the anarchist’s cookbook):

this one is the best and my favourite it produces more smoke and the ingredients are easier to obtain:
4 parts sugar
6 parts potassium nitrate (Salt Peter)
Heat this mixture over a LOW flame until it melts, stirring well. Pour it into a future container and, before it solidifies, imbed a few matches into
the mixture to use as fuses. One pound of this stuff will fill up a whole block with thick, white smoke!

this one is a little harder to get the igredients for but you dont need to heat this all you need to do is mix the two ingredients together however it doesent make as much smoke:
Insert a red hot wire into the pile, step back.
have fun 🙂

— Posted by xoarj on 8:27 am on Dec. 3, 2001

Yeah the potassium nitrate and sugar one is the best we made one and it filled the whole school toilet block up with smoke, it smells like shit though, dont know if its to good for you

— Posted by dellexo on 6:45 pm on Dec. 3, 2001

Quote: from The Great Milenko on 3:28 am on Nov. 28, 2001
you can get salt petre (thats not a typo it’s how it’s spelt just thought you’d like to know)
4 parts sugar
6 parts potassium nitrate (Salt Peter)
Heat this mixture over a LOW flame until it melts, I thought you said it was spelt salt PETRE not PETER,Easy mistake:biggrin:

(Edited by dellexo at 6:49 pm on Dec. 3, 2001)

(Edited by dellexo at 6:58 pm on Dec. 3, 2001)

— Posted by largeidaccam on 3:32 am on Dec. 4, 2001

not sure if this works , but neway :wrap tin foil around a ping pong ball leaving a SMALL hole then get  a lighter an heat the bottom. Parently this works

— Posted by xoarj on 7:33 am on Dec. 4, 2001

Yeah thats the scabby way of doing it you apparently cut one half of the ball up and put it into the other full half then wrap but it gives of toxic gas that kills brain cells, the sugar and potassium nitrate (salt petre) is the best one that is relatively simple to make.

— Posted by Sicopath on 5:22 pm on Dec. 5, 2001

I made a good indoor one with powdered chlorine, sugar and gunpowder firmly packed in a food coloring bottle. and lit with the wick end pointing downwards.

This also tends to blast off and smash on the ceiling leaving glass and hot sugar everywhere to burn shit.

(Edited by Sicopath at 5:24 am on Dec. 6, 2001)

— Posted by JB on 6:29 pm on Dec. 5, 2001

smoke bombs using chlorate for example (not sure how similar nitrates work), need more fuel than oxidizer in the mix so that it doesnt burn as quickly. A good ratio would be 2 sugar, 1 chlorate. I made a 1:1 mix, then added motor oil, Creasote (for coating fences & protecting wood), and turpentine. All this was mixed in a large glass jar till a thick paste was formed. This was rolled into greaseproof paper, then in tin foil – the thing was about 1 1/2 times the size of a tennis ball), and left over night. I poked a hole through into the paste and put a fuse, when this went up it was like a big flare, but the amount of smoke that came out for what seemed AGES!! was incredible, it filled the whole street with smoke which was like thick fog. Its definately worth experimenting!

— Posted by preditor on 7:21 pm on Dec. 6, 2001

Hear is a quote from one of the ACB’s.

The following reaction should produce a fair amount of smoke.  Since this
reaction is not all that dangerous you can use larger amounts if necessary

                      Insert a red hot wire into the pile, step back.


    Colored flames can often be used as a signaling device for terrorists. by
putting a ball of colored flame material in a rocket; the rocket, when the
ejection charge fires, will send out a burning colored ball.  The materials that
produce the different colors of flames appear below.

COLOR               MATERIAL                        USED IN

red                 strontium                      road flares,                  
                   salts                          red sparklers

green               barium salts                   green sparklers              
                  (barium nitrate)

yellow              sodium salts                   gold sparklers                
                 (sodium nitrate)

blue                powdered copper                blue sparklers,              
                   old pennies

white               powdered magnesium             firestarters,                
                   or aluminum                    aluminum foil

purple              potassium permanganate         purple fountains,            
                                                  treating sewage

— Posted by Gandalf the Gray on 6:37 pm on Dec. 7, 2001

thanks u guys this helped alot im going to get that nitrate of potass shit and make one

— Posted by myachi on 3:00 am on Jan. 2, 2002

Were can I get salt peter from

— Posted by The Great Milenko on 3:15 am on Jan. 2, 2002

Quote: from Sicopath on 3:22 am on Dec. 6, 2001
I made a good indoor one with powdered chlorine, sugar and gunpowder firmly packed in a food coloring bottle. and lit with the wick end pointing downwards.

This also tends to blast off and smash on the ceiling leaving glass and hot sugar everywhere to burn shit.

(Edited by Sicopath at 5:24 am on Dec. 6, 2001)

fuck!! i’d advise against using any kinda smoke bombs with chlorine since the smoke would probably be chlorine gas and this shit (as most ppl know) isnt too good for your lungs if you wanna keep em

(Edited by The Great Milenko at 1:16 pm on Jan. 2, 2002)

— Posted by The Dark Avenger on 3:42 pm on Jan. 2, 2002

Salt Petre is/was also used in the Navy. It is/was given to the men to help deter them from becoming sexually aroused. I would suppose you could get some from a drugstore.

— Posted by B real on 2:00 pm on Feb. 7, 2002

you might get salt peter in gun shop because I think they use it to put on animal skin after it is killed

— Posted by Zambosan on 3:37 pm on Feb. 7, 2002

Milenko: By powdered chlorine, I *think*Sicopath meant pool chlorine tablets (HTH pool shock, etc.); this is usually a perchlorate, which is an even stronger oxidizer than a chlorate. Also even *more* shock sensitive so watch out and never store the shit indoors!!! The ping pong ball thing is a bit dippy… but it doesn’t “kill brain cells”; they’re celluloid, which is nitrocellulose (rifle powder) plasticized with camphor to form a polymer. It’s also what the first billiard balls were made of… hope nobody ever shanked one off the table & into a roaring fire!! Haha…
Here’s a handy tip with sugar chlorate/nitrate smoke compositions… if you’ve ever used ’em, you know that the heat of the reaction causes quite a flame. By adding an excess of sugar, you slow the burning down because of an oxygen deficiency. External oxygen then oxidizes the products of the reaction, resulting in a nice big plume of orange flame. Try this: place your charge in a small can, then get a large coffee can that is at least 2 times as tall, and punch several holes along its outer edge with a can opener (the kind used for opening juice cans). Place the large can upside-down over top of the charge can, and route your fuse through one of the holes down into the charge. The second can will starve the reaction of any additional oxygen. The end result is *much* more smoke, and *much* blacker smoke from all the particulate carbon generated by the incomplete combustion. This doesn’t lend itself too well to grenades for lobbing, but is fantastic for filling a room & also reduces (but not eliminates) the possibility of burning the place down.

(Edited by Zambosan at 3:38 pm on Feb. 7, 2002)

— Posted by ilovekayla on 6:44 pm on Feb. 7, 2002

They dont sell it at drugstores anymore they stopped after ww2

— Posted by Zambosan on 9:12 am on Feb. 8, 2002

You can find it in some gardening stores as a stump remover. The idea is to drill a hole into a large stump, and pour the KNO3 prills into it with some water. The solution spreads through the wood and chemically accelerates decomposition of the cellulose, making it spongy and porous. After a month or so, you saturate the stump thoroughly with kerosene & light the bastard. The flame should be able to smolder all the way down to the roots. It’s reasonably pure too, and just coated with a little kieselguhr to keep the prills from clumping. Let me tell ya, I was dancing in the street when I discovered this as a teenager.

General comment; as you build up an “inventory” of where to obtain chemicals through consumer channels, KEEP QUIET about it. Of course never let on to the store clerks, etc… but also be careful who you tell. Most people (especially younger ones) are loudmouths, despite what they tell you. You may find that, 2 months after telling even only 2 or 3 people about a particular chemical source, the store has pulled the item from their shelf because word got around, or some moron got hurt. By the same token, always look around for another reliable source for everything you like to use in your recreational activities. Spend time wandering around hardware stores, and examine all the labels. It can be quite worthwhile.

— Posted by ilovekayla on 1:39 pm on Feb. 9, 2002

thanks i will 🙂

— Posted by The Great Milenko on 7:07 am on Feb. 12, 2002

Quote: from Zambosan on 1:37 am on Feb. 8, 2002
The ping pong ball thing is a bit dippy… but it doesn’t “kill brain cells”; they’re celluloid, which is nitrocellulose (rifle powder) plasticized with camphor to form a polymer.

I’ve heard of making AP putty out of ap and ping pong balls rather than using nitrocellulose,would all ping pong balls be made out of nitrocellulose or would the new-er ones be made out of somthing else, because i really want to turn some ap i’m making soon into putty, but i dont have a gun liscence, therefore no double base smokeless powder 🙁 and the recipe that i saw that uses ping pong balls instead or double base smokeless says to use like 25-30 balls, so i’d hate to go out and buy that many and then later find out i’ve wasted all that money and all that AP!

(Edited by The Great Milenko at 5:08 pm on Feb. 12, 2002)

— Posted by Zambosan on 11:48 am on Feb. 12, 2002

I think most ping pong balls are still celluloid… the material has a good spring to it.  Take one & light it… if it’s celluloid you’ll have no doubts… it will burn readily and fairly quickly, and should leave very little ash.  Some guitar picks are made of it too… the clear/brown ones that are particularly flexible.

— Posted by The Great Milenko on 6:15 am on Feb. 13, 2002

Aight koo, thanx tons, i tried that smoke bomb with the ping pong balls with some friends and it worked, and afterwards i ripped open the foil and there was nothing left, no ash, no nuttin, and these were pretty new i think (cypher?), so i’ll definetly use them, thanx once again, it’s gonna be much easier to make some firecrackers for skool, cause using straight AP would be harder to do because you need a sealed container to hold it in place, plus i’d hate some of the crystals to grind together and go off in my pocket or what not, i examined a small comercial firecracker and it wasnt sealed at either and and it had some grey hard stuff in it, and i thought that it may be ap putty perhaps?, anyway thats how my fircrackers will be…

— Posted by Zambosan on 10:59 am on Feb. 13, 2002

The gray powder in most firecrackers (M80’s, black cats, etc.) is I *believe* a flash powder of some sort, containing a chlorate & metal powder.  You’d be pretty hard pressed to find any fireworks with high explosives in them just on principle; they’re all low explosives.  Of course, the home-made variety has no such constraints… a high explosive charge has a much more satisfying, visceral thump than commercial fireworks, and they can do *so* much more damage… 🙂

— Posted by The Great Milenko on 2:52 am on Feb. 14, 2002

LOL yeah so true, but do you think that an AP cracker would be louder than a commercial cracker of the same size? because i’m really looking to scare ppl rather than damage stuff, but if i do inedvertantly damage somthing un-human it does’nt matter, i just couldnt think of anything to damage at skool that’d be worth it.

— Posted by Zambosan on 10:11 am on Feb. 14, 2002

It ought to be louder in the sense that the sound pressure peak level will be higher due to the detonation as opposed to deflagration. However… low explosives produce more lower frequencies when bursting a container, while the much faster detonation of a high explosive has most of its acoustic energy concentrated at higher frequencies (look at the Fourier transform of an impulse). Low frequencies are able to diffract around corners, through openings, etc. much more easily, allowing a greater portion of the overall acoustic energy to propagate for a longer distance. So an AP firecracker will be louder, but may not be noticed by as many people at a distance since it has a sharp report instead of a boom.

— Posted by The Great Milenko on 8:28 pm on Feb. 14, 2002

ah yeah, i getcha, aight thanx 🙂

— Posted by SMOKY on 12:15 pm on Feb. 17, 2002

THis one is easy but it is not good for to beath in!
You Make the ping pong ball smoker and you rap it in enough foil to go over your fence(Or brick Wall)
You Get it into your an open window over the fence
Light the sob on fire and you smoke’em out!

— Posted by Hergor on 2:13 pm on Feb. 17, 2002

we’re repeating ourselves…

— Posted by jmb1125 on 2:35 pm on Feb. 17, 2002

It is my understanding about smoke bombs that the composition used needs to be more or less smothered as it burns. This means that the fuse entry point should be made of a material that won’t burn away, like a plug made out of compressed clay powder. Fireclay works well, available at brickyards it is used to make brick mortar tacky.

Now the M-80 thing. The term “M-80” has nothing to do with millimeters, like everyone thinks. The term refers to the flash composition inside the device, which the military calls “M-80 flash composition” (duh).

It is potassium pechlorate, and aluminum powder. 70/30 by weight. DON’T USE POTASSIUM CHLORATE.
There is an alternative mixture of perch/sul/alum which is “FLASH THUNDER NUMBER 1” in the fireworks bussiness. This mix goes off better because of the sulfur,
but degrades and becomes more unstable over time.
Again, because of the sulfur. As for your comparison of “high order” versus flash, Zam and TGM, I would just use the flash because it is MORE THAN GOOD ENOUGH for loud “bangers” or “cannon crackers”. Just fill 1/3 in paper tubes with paper plugs and good fuse.

You really need to get your hands on: “BIG BANG THEORY AND PRACTICE” by John Donner because it covers all this and a hell of a lot more. I have it o.k.?

— Posted by Exploding Bladder UK on 6:11 am on Feb. 18, 2002

ok were the hell can we get salt petre from then?
PS. does nebody hav a copy of the ACB handy? 😀

— Posted by Hergor on 6:36 am on Feb. 18, 2002

hell, you don’t really mean the anarchist’s cookbook (AC), do you?

if so, DON’T use it. it’s dangerous!
you’d do better by looking for the makeshift arsenal. (there ought to be a link to it somewhere in the other topics…)

— Posted by weston on 4:15 pm on Feb. 18, 2002

hey when i cooked the salt petre and sugar it made this goooey brown stuff and it worked right so don’t get scared if it gets brown

— Posted by Exploding Bladder UK on 4:34 pm on Feb. 18, 2002

yes but wtf is salt petre and where can i get it???
i mean id make it if i had access 2 ne chemicals of ne sort…
hergor: yah i want the anachists cookbook… sumbody tell me where i can get it?

— Posted by Hergor on 5:43 pm on Feb. 18, 2002

saltpeter, potassium nitrate, niter, KNO3

it’s in fertilizer so you’ll have to find a way to get it out of it. i’m not sure if cooking it in alcohol will do the job.

ah, well just looked it up, put it in water or glycerol and filter the dirt out. then boil it to get rid of the liquid. what remains is (at least to some percentage depending on the other ingredients of the fertilizer) KNO3.

and the AC 2000 can be downloaded fromhttp://www.e-t-r.net/extras/cookbook2000.html

but you know it’s crap, right?

(Edited by Hergor at 5:53 pm on Feb. 18, 2002)

— Posted by jmb1125 on 6:46 pm on Feb. 18, 2002

7th street: icy roads: it’s either rock salt or magnesium chloride.
preditor and exploding bladder u.k. : Don’t use the AC. It’s the kiss of death.
Zam: were you refering to potassium chlorate and perchlorate? I thought perch was the tamer of the two.
Hergor: thank you.steer ppl away from the AC.
Weston, yeah cook that outside on a portable electric burner. too hot and….cough, cough, hack.

the AC has a few usable things that are not too insane.
a lot of it is (in my judgment) is insane.

— Posted by Exploding Bladder UK on 3:56 am on Feb. 19, 2002

who said i was sane?

— Posted by Hergor on 5:28 am on Feb. 19, 2002

don’t fool around with the AC or your mental state might also become your physical state.

and since we don’t wanna loose anybody (well, except arnor maybe) this would be bad… 🙁

you can take it as a reference but NEVER as basis. especially when it comes to explosives (most of the proportions or methods are very questionable or just WRONG! )
if you want something to rely on use the makeshift arsenal. and still i’d say BE CAREFUL and never trust everything written therein without doubts unless you can (at least theoretically) proove it to be correct.

and now let’s say a hundred times:

the AC is fukin’ crap ’cause it will kill you…
the AC is fukin’ crap ’cause it will kill you…
the AC is fukin’ crap ’cause it will kill you…
the AC is fukin’ crap ’cause it will kill you…

— Posted by Zambosan on 10:11 am on Feb. 19, 2002

I posted this elsewhere but it’s worth repeating… *DON’t* cook dry sugar and KNO3 or KCLO3 together.  Dissolve the sugar in water, boil until syrupy, remove from heat and then mix KNO3.  Pour into a mold, when it cools it’ll be nice & hard if you boiled long enough.  It’ll stay white and you won’t get flayed & burn your house down.  JMB: perchlorate is a stronger oxidizer than chlorate; a chlorate cation has 3 oxygens while a perchlorate has 4 (CLO3 vs. CLO4).  A chlorite is even less reactive, with only 2 oxygens, and hypochlorites are almost inert.  Once you’ve removed all the oxygens (reduction process), you get a chloride like a metal salt , which is very stable due to the ionic bond… just try reacting NaCl. 🙂

— Posted by jmb1125 on 7:12 pm on Feb. 19, 2002

thanks again Zambosan. I’v read that perch is the safer of the two for use with metal powders.

— Posted by Zambosan on 10:40 am on Feb. 20, 2002

Gotcha JMB… by “stronger” I mean that a perchlorate carries more oxygens per molecule.  It may be that the chlorates are less stable due to bond angles, charge distribution, and other things that I’m largely ignorant of.  🙂  This would make them less safe to handle when mixed with a reducing agent like a metal, particularly with all the reaction surface area offered by a fine mesh powder.

— Posted by bomb on 2:31 pm on Feb. 20, 2002

can any1 help me and tell me how to make a good simple easy to make smoke bomb ?????? plz thanks!!! does any1 now if i can make anything out ov some     sulphur some magnesium ribbon some sulphuric acid and the crap out ov the middle ov a battery ????? some1 plz reply to me

— Posted by weston on 5:29 pm on Feb. 20, 2002

ahh yes the always hiding salt petre… first try wal-mart, k-mart, and maybe a pharmacy. If you try wal-mart don’t ask any of the emplyees they are to ignorant usually to know what salt peter is… go to the pharmacy desk and ask for it..its used in stuffing deers, in medicines and supposedly in the impotency of male prisoners… If they don’t have it ask them to order you some it will come to probably 1.49 for 6 oz’s of potassium nitrate. there you go and i hope your on the way in the making of fuses, smoke bombs, and gun powder…

what the land of the free who ever told you that is your enemy- stand up all you anarchists to this facist society there governments have created today

— Posted by chico14 on 9:37 pm on Mar. 26, 2002

here is a smoke bomb …………..FART!

— Posted by unknown619 on 12:40 am on Mar. 28, 2002

yeah ther awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

— Posted by Chaffin on 1:36 am on Mar. 28, 2002

i’ve got a question about the ping pong ball smoker.
whats the foil for, just protection from getting burned or does it help in some way, i’m knew at this stuff so dont blame me.

— Posted by someoneisluke on 5:28 am on Mar. 28, 2002

someone said you can by salt petre at a chemist and i was just wondering what is its real perpose.????

someone esle said you can by it at gardening shop under the name of potasium of potash or something what is its real purpose.. ??????
what im really confused about is that if salt petre and potasium nitrate are the same thing why would they be sold at to completely differnt places that sell completely diferent things….. unless someone is full of shit and you cant buy it at the chemist….

— Posted by felony on 9:35 am on Mar. 28, 2002

Its in fertlizer, dont ask me how to get it out though, lol

— Posted by Zero the Inestimable on 9:46 am on Mar. 28, 2002

It’s “nitrate of potash”, and you can get fertilizer that is pure potassium nitrate. Scott’s “Peter’s professional water soluble fertilizer”. NPK designation 13-0-44. Comes in a big bag with “POTASSIUM NITRATE” in gaint letters across the front…

Go to an agricultural supplier (J.C. Sweeny, Agway, whatever) and get them to order it.

~Zero the Inestimable

— Posted by Egg411 on 2:26 pm on Mar. 28, 2002

someoneisluke  you can buy lots of things for multiple purposes.  diphenhydramine HCl is a drug for allergies, sleep and i think Dramamine is also the same shit.  and its in a million other drugs.  how many uses can you think of for gas?

— Posted by Mastermind on 12:05 am on Mar. 29, 2002

Hey, look at the rest of the thread. And dont ever ask for the ACB, people will chew you out. I went to get salt peter at a crappy pharmacy, they said they dont sell it but most pharmacys would. I think anyon can get it, but im not sure.

Oh and this note is late, but i think it does deserve repeating.  Its obvious when people havent looked at this site at all, asking for the ACB and all.  Just shout im gay, make fun of me why dont you.

(Edited by Mastermind at 12:07 am on Mar. 29, 2002)

— Posted by clichit on 4:00 pm on Mar. 29, 2002

You can buy salt petre at www.unitednuclear.com

— Posted by JaMeZz34 on 11:33 pm on April 2, 2002

IS it true that if u mix sawdust w/ a small bit of oil, and a base….u get a smoke bomb ??????I read it in the Archives, but i wanna see if it works 1st.
By sayin base, do they mean a salt (eg.NaOH)


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