— Posted by jakethedude on 12:05 pm on Mar. 14, 2002
i kno its a poison and its an oxidising agent but wot can i do with it?
— Posted by balor on 2:14 pm on Mar. 14, 2002
Well if its an oxidising agent use your fucking imagination as you posted in the explosives forum you must have(?) some clue as to its usefulness making a cheap low explosive with it and sugar.
— Posted by JT666 on 4:15 pm on Mar. 14, 2002
Arrr so is sodium chlorate that shit you get in lo-salt ?
— Posted by preditor on 12:04 am on Mar. 15, 2002
you can make plastic explosives out of it
— Posted by dellexo on 12:23 pm on Mar. 15, 2002
Quote: from JT666 on 4:15 pm on Mar. 14, 2002
Arrr so is sodium chlorate that shit you get in lo-salt ?
No, the stuff you are on about is pottasium chloride not sodium chlorate
— Posted by JT666 on 6:27 am on Mar. 18, 2002
ah right so where do you get sodium chloride from and what can lo-salt potasium chloride be used for other than adding flavour too food ?
— Posted by None on 6:38 am on Mar. 18, 2002
sodium chloride is table salt – you should know where to get it…
but i guess u mean sodium chlorATE – the -ate which is the oxidiser.
when it comes to what you’re interested in, potassium chloride is about as useful as sodium chloride, unless you were wanting to get KClO3 from NaClO3.
— Posted by dellexo on 1:58 pm on Mar. 21, 2002
I couldn’t agree more.Iv’e explained this loads of times to people in the past:angry:Sodium chloride is common salt.
— Posted by JT666 on 4:30 pm on Mar. 21, 2002
allright sorry it was late when i posted i was half asleep
but i meant to ask could one get sodium chlorate from anything ? and what could i do with this potasium chloride in lo salt ? and is there any easily made oxidisers bearing in mind i live in england where you need licences for everything ?
— Posted by JT666 on 4:38 pm on Mar. 21, 2002
sorry but i dont know much about the making of explosives thats why i ask cheers
— Posted by dellexo on 5:34 pm on Mar. 21, 2002
jt666,i see you live in the u.k.Sodium chlorate weed killer can be bought in EVERY garden center in the u.k.Have a look through the shelves and i guarantee that you will find it.Mixed with icing sugar,this is quite a powerfull explosive.
— Posted by JT666 on 6:08 pm on Mar. 22, 2002
Ah cheers for that dellexo i’ll do that tommorow Thats a great help Thankyou very much Yay finally i can make My Own explosives ………. YaY
— Posted by Hephaestrus on 6:44 pm on Mar. 22, 2002
Why don’t you morons give this a whirl while you’re at it?
Easy preparation of potassium chlorate or sodium chlorate:
Take 10g of potassium chloride (“No Salt”) or 8g of sodium chloride. Put it in a beaker. Now add 60ml of 3% H2O2 solution. Heat it gently until it begins to boil; once that happens, add 30ml of baking soda solution. Keep it at a full broil until crystals begin to precipitate out of solution. Once that occurs, you must carry out the most difficult step… dump a lot of ice into the beaker, wait for the ice to melt completely, then filter out the sodium chlorate or potassium chlorate. This must be timed and carried out correctly, or the potassium chlorate or sodium chlorate will be redissolved. If you did not get potassium chlorate or sodium chlorate, it was because you didn’t do it as precisely as is necessary, and you ended up with just potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide. Be careful with this, potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide are byproducts formed by this reaction… potassium hydroxide and sodium hydroxide are known as LYE which will blind you if it gets in your eyes, and will severely burn your skin.
— Posted by JT666 on 8:10 am on Mar. 23, 2002
Dellexo does weedol do the trick or is there any other brands you can point me too ? thanks.
— Posted by chroniccrescent on 12:40 pm on Mar. 24, 2002
im from the uk too. does the sodium chlorate come in chunks or in a formula? if its in a formula do u have to extratc it or sumthin? also, if u just mix this in with vaseline n wax, that C4 right, can u set that off with a simple homemade electrical fuse?
— Posted by Hergor on 1:13 pm on Mar. 24, 2002
AAARGH! C4 C4 C4… NO! damnit! C4 is R.D.X. with PETN and a binder-substance! (something like that at least) all this other stuff is not even slightly as powerful as real C4. or why do you think the military wouldn’t use those instead of hard-to-make C4?
btw, C4 requires a blasting cap…
and sodium chlorate weed-killer is mixed with other chems. you’d have to purify it. but i don’t know what else is in a specific weed-killer and so i can’t tell you how to extract it. maybe you can go to a garden store, look up what’s inside and tell us. then somebody might tell you…
(see how many times ‘C4’ appears in this post? actually C4 has nothing to do with this forum unless you can proove by video that you made your own (the real one) and want to report on it…)
(Edited by Hergor at 1:14 pm on Mar. 24, 2002)
— Posted by Yellowhedgehog on 2:03 pm on Mar. 24, 2002
i try to get the weed-killer as soon as possible…. i will then report what useless shits it has. d;>
— Posted by Yellowhedgehog on 2:10 pm on Mar. 24, 2002
but isnt it possible to use it as it is if the killer contains enough sodium chlorate? (correct me if im wrong)
— Posted by chroniccrescent on 5:33 pm on Mar. 24, 2002
jeez hergor, take a chill pill, i no it aint “C4” exactly, im just sayin isnt it like c4 seeing how the main ingredient is potassium chlorate and sodium chlorate works the same way as potassium.
— Posted by None on 8:04 am on Mar. 25, 2002
it isnt ‘C4’ at all. as hergor mentioned earlier, C4s main ingredients is not potassium chlorate.
you can use sodium chlorate in place of potassium chlorate in that KClO3/vaseline explosive but in both cases it is weak and needs a blasting cap.
— Posted by Barker on 10:14 am on Mar. 25, 2002
Im Back………..and dellexos right
anyway for some pictures and a bit more complicated decsription i suggest downloading GEAR www.gear-mag.co.uk
— Posted by chroniccrescent on 11:24 am on Mar. 25, 2002
well, i just call it c4 coz thats what someone called it in the archives
— Posted by Barker on 8:04 am on Mar. 26, 2002
Okay just in case we get someone posting stuff about this again ill post everthing ive found about it
-Ripped from *SWAT MAGAZINE ISSUE FOUR: APRIL 1998*
By -=The Firestarter=-, Shadow and Crisp
After years of using traditional shotgun shell powder in our pipe
bombs, we found a new cheaper way of making better and more powerful
explosives, why is it better I here you ask, well for a start it
smokes like hell, where as nitrocellulose (shotgun shell powder) does
not, it also burns for longer, making it a good incendrie, and we
managed to vaporise an empty coke can, so as you can see this is not
shit to mess about with.
Ok so now to make it:
You will need to get “Sodium Chlorate weed killer” you can’t normally
buy it unless you 18, but they don’t read the small print here.
while your getting that buy some sugar.
Simply mix the two at a 1:1 ratio, thats it.
Try putting some in a paper bag and lighting it. It burns for ages,
and gives off loads of smoke. If you wanted you could mix it with
a flamable liquid.
You can make 1Kg of this stuff for about 2.06, you don’t need to use
a lot in a smoke bomb and it’s great fun.
Shadow put some in a pipe and made a roman candel, the pipe melted,
it was made from steel. Crisp sealed some inside an empty 5.56 blank
casing and Shadow covered it in “weed killer charge”, lit it and ran,
seconds later there was an almighty bang, pretty cool eh?
The only problem I know of is that it can be ignited with friction,
and it is a bit of an arse to light, you can get it going with a normal
flame from a lighter, but it takes a while to get going, a normal fuse
should light it, where as shoving a “just struck” match in it lights
Sodium Chlorate Gunpowder:
I have just managed to get this stuff to go properly.
You will need:
Sodium Chlorate weed killer (of course)
5 large pencils (or charcole)
some sulphur (nick it from school, I do)
Ok first off set fire to the pencils, yes you heard me, burn them until
they are charcole, and crush them up along with the sulphur and pencil
lead (graphite), now add some sodium chlorate and some water, mix until
it is universally black and leave to dry.
Sodium chlorate: 63%
Charcole and graphite: 22%
(these don’t have to be exact)
Disolve some sugar and sodium chlorate in water and put either cotton
string or rolled up bog paper in it, take it out and leave to dry.
More to come as we have no adoppted it as our main explosive, so we
shall be researching.
— Posted by chroniccrescent on 8:10 am on Mar. 26, 2002
cool, this looks like one of the most simple explosives around
— Posted by JT666 on 2:50 pm on Mar. 26, 2002
yeah this stuff is great “Gem Weedkiller” i live in a little town and i got it so anyone should be able to
smokes like fuck but still pretty impressive dosnt burn as quick as other explosives but i think thats because im using icing sugar tommorow will have too try sulpher anyway thanks people this is brilliant
O and mine cost 2.85 for a 0.5kg tub but considering you get a kilogram of explosives out of it theres not much to winge about
Thanks again sure beats canabalising shells.
— Posted by Barker on 10:47 am on Mar. 27, 2002
at woolworths 1kg for 2.29
best price ive seen in ages but they will ask for your age
— Posted by JT666 on 7:46 pm on Mar. 27, 2002
Balls thats well cheap my bike should be on the road again soon so ill have to go to a place with a woolworths couse my town dosn’t which is a bit of a scrote
anyway Beings some of you know a lot more about this stuff than i do …..
couldyou tell us how to make a putty explosive out of this ? and if you have could you tell me what the formula is and proportions cheers
O and another question is whats the shelf life of the stuff when mixed ?
thanks much .
— Posted by Barker on 11:58 am on Mar. 29, 2002
homebase 1kg: 4 quid
you can probably get it cheaper at a garden centre
when mixed i think its 7 days probably longer if u keep it in a container
ask dellexo he seems to be an expert on the stuff
— Posted by JT666 on 5:38 pm on Mar. 29, 2002
This stuff is pretty good but detonation is a bit of a pain in the arse so just a few questions for Dellexo or anyone who can answer it
what produces the best (quickest) burn rate wax/pj
what will det the stuff off best ?
Also i read in one of the archives it can be det’d with
an electric charge. can it?
And yet another how long is it safe to store this stuff ?
O and has anyone used this and to what effect is it juicy?
— Posted by chroniccrescent on 7:17 pm on Mar. 29, 2002
im off to woolies n homebase, good thing u guys r british n not american or i would never find this stuff
— Posted by Barker on 6:20 am on Mar. 31, 2002
Just wonderin has anyone ever made a decent fuse out of this stuff…..cant seem to make a good one
— Posted by Barker on 6:34 am on Mar. 31, 2002
FOUND A MINI-SITE WITH PICS
— Posted by guzzetti on 12:08 pm on Mar. 31, 2002
Ive always wanted too make Nicotine!
— Posted by JT666 on 2:28 pm on Mar. 31, 2002
— Posted by chroniccrescent on 6:55 am on April 1, 2002
1kilo = 1.48
— Posted by super steele on 1:16 pm on April 7, 2002
If i were to use sodium chlorate in a pipe bomb…what kindof fuse could I use beaucse it doesnt really burn that fast and ive tried it with a 3mm hole and all it does is make a nice roman candle…this discouages me from using a drilled fuse to ignite it as the roman candle effect may just be produced from the fuse hole. Do u think heating it from the outside would work i.e using the same mixture but outside?
— Posted by sinstar on 3:09 pm on April 7, 2002
super steele or whatever don’t you purify the NaClo3 first, and what do you use as a fuel.
— Posted by super steele on 2:27 pm on April 8, 2002
i dont bother to purify it, i have purified it and found it made only the slightest of differences (its 52% pure when I buy it). As a fuel I currently use sugar but if anyone has any better ideas..im open to try them
— Posted by sinstar on 3:05 pm on April 8, 2002
You should convert it to Kclo3 then make H3,H3 is very good.
— Posted by super steele on 3:09 pm on April 8, 2002
could you please explain that without chemical equations/symbols..i cant be bothered to go and get my revision notes
— Posted by spootyguy on 3:41 pm on April 8, 2002
I have seen it at Robert Dyas for 4 a kilo, if that helps anyone. Make sure you buy the gramulated stuff, and not liquid… It also works best if you grind it up a bit more than the chunky granules you get in the tub.
As for detonating the stuff, I am going to try this weekend to use the tungsten filament from a big-ass 150watt lightbulb, which so far have made great fuses for all my home-made stuff. Only problem is you’ve got to run it off a mains supply 🙁 No good for street warz.. 🙂
Otherwise, if the fuse made from the sodium chlorate and sugar paste doesnt do it, just use a smaller hotter-burning charge to set the bigger vaseline-based one off.
Mostly, I just use this stuff for making smoke, as it is damn good at it. Just shake a pile on the ground, or make a bogroll tube filled up with it, and use a mini blowtorch lighter (or anything else, for that matter…) to set the smokey bastard off… Goes for ages, and if you chuck some chunks of rubber in the tube or can with it, it reeks pretty good… As long as it isnt confined or in a tube with a tight lid, itll burn nice and slow and let off a ton of smoke…
— Posted by super steele on 3:05 pm on April 9, 2002
i was fooling around today when i came across an idea which I tried, take a film container (the black/see thru pots) and fill it with about 2/3rds sodium chlorate and sugar mixture (1:2 ratio) then place a piece os paper/alu foil ontop of this, then put a small pile of Potassium permangante ontop os the paper/foil, then take another piece of foil/paper and cover the Potassium Permangante with this and onto this piece pour glycerine (the aluminium is probably safer at this point) then take the lid for the pot and make a hole big enough for a nail to fit in which will atleast penetrate the first 2 layers. seal the top off with tape and place a nail in the hole (do not press down). To ignite this smoke bomb… simply push the nail down (maybee pull it up afterwards) and throw…the glycerine reacts with the potasium permangante and oxidises and inturn ignites the sodium chlorate/sugar benath it thus giving you a smoke bomb which doesnt need a lighter there fore making you look even more inconspicous…i have yet to try making one which mixes upon landing. One thing…do not stande above the pot when the reaction starts…i almost lost an eye 2day from a cocktail scewer being blown out of the top!
— Posted by shady1 on 5:30 pm on April 9, 2002
1 of the best ways i no how to make an explosive with sodium chlorate depending on wot weed killer u use e.g. “Gem weedkiller” which is about 32%SC is to put wot u need in a pan.
then fill with warm water to just above the “WK”,then start to boil (on oven) as soon as and i meen as oon as , it gets to boilin point turn it down and leave to simmer.
crystals will start to form, take these out u dont want these.
repeat this again about 3-4 times puttin in water and boilin etc this purifies the SC and makes it explode better. when doin this u can had some hemp rope in pan to boil as well this can be used as the fuse, when all done dry them out.
but 1st wash the SC through a coffee filter then dry, as 4 the fuse rap in tinfoil then put under grill (electric) be carefull when doin this and dont leave it unatended otherwise u will have a lot of cleanin up to do.
when SC is dry grind them into fine dust do same with the sugar, i use a blender, DO NOT mix them both together unless u want to blow ya kitchen up.
when u done blendin mix the SC/sugar up 3:2 and not 2:2 or 1:2rato or u will get just smoke or a candle. 1:2 & 1:3 rato is used in some hobbiest rockets to get them off the ground. if they used 3:2 they would probs explode.
u then can use this mixture in a pipe bomb, the stronger the pip the better the explosion as long as u leave room 4 th gases to build up in the pipe.
fill the pipe 3/4 full with powder, do not pack this but leave lose otherwise this will cause a smoke effect as well.
put your hemp rope fuse in and seal up with glue or wax making sure its air tight.
diferent peeps make pipe bombs diferent so u do them to your design then u have ya bomb.
a tourch bulb with top filled down an filled with (well use ya imagination) and then glued up and 2 wires soldered to the bulb and a 9v battery also does the trick to set ya explosive off as well, experiment with things read as much as u can and dont always expect to be spoon fed the answers all the time. hope this helps any 1, feel free to flame.
this is just the basics of wot i just told u and not a fully detailed explination on how to do them, me didnt have much time , i’m not goin to be responsable 4 your health if u scew up so be carefull, wear protective gear, e.g. gloves, goggles.
P.s. Super steele if u read this where did u get the SC with 52% was it in the uk? others would like to no as well as me.
if u go to french diy store and markets u can get it with 99% as well as al the other chemicals u want.
thats it 4 now all, c u around and play safe
— Posted by sinstar on 5:54 pm on April 9, 2002
To make H3 you convert the sodium chlorite(NaClo3)to pottasium chlorite(KClo3)then you diaper mix it with charcoal(powdered duhh!)at a 2/1 ratio this is H3.Also in the Uk weedkiller has always got 52% NaClo3 I think they do that because the remaining 48% is fire retardent which is just the right amount for it not to burn fast when mixed with a feul.Also a CHEAPER (I did not say safer)pipe bomb filler is NaClo3(aq) poured over toilet paper then it MUST be dryed on top of a heat source.
— Posted by super steele on 1:46 pm on April 10, 2002
Shady 1… i got it in the uk..it is made by the company Doff…on the front it says Sodium Chlorate weedkiller 52% Sodium Chlorate 48% Fire Depressant. Another thing you may want to try for your pipe bombs is using Model Rocket igniters (solar igniters) these can be put inside the tube and the hole for the wire is only as big as the diameter of the wires powering the igniter
— Posted by soulreaper666 on 2:04 pm on April 10, 2002
can u use sodium chlorate as a substitute for pottasium chlorate in pcse(potasium chlorate sulfur explosive)?
— Posted by super steele on 2:09 pm on April 10, 2002
i aint to sure but i believe that sodium chlorate burns slighlty slower than Potassium chlorate meaning it may be slightly less powerful
— Posted by chroniccrescent on 2:30 pm on April 10, 2002
potassium chlorate and sodium chlorate are almost indentical. Do you have to extract the sodium chlorate from the weedkiller? If so, how?
— Posted by super steele on 2:37 pm on April 10, 2002
i dont know if it is neccessary but shady1 explains how to purify it above, i dont bother to purify it at the moment and it still works