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Someday the underground must grow up

— Posted by deinstein16 on 6:54 am on Mar. 4, 2002

hello to all i suppose u will be reading this post right now!!!
i am dEINSTEIN and i am looking for serious persons with alot of experience to construct a website that it would contain a lot of things,Someday the underground must grow up because in these days it has been damaged from all that kiddies that they think that they are really hackers or cracker or whatelse.They are just lamers and i want to ceate a website that it would contain things that it would be interesting only for serious people.i have something in my mind but i need a crew to create and share my and there knowledge with them.and to come to a conclusion i am looking for a cew.i am deinstein and i am from greece also the name of the site Would be tgoe(the garden of edem) and it would be multilanguage,it time to do sth big folks,if you are interested and want to know sth just mail me or post in the forum deinstein16@lycos.com !A lot of others coming soon.I apologize for my english,i am  greek and i have only taken the LOWER,sorry!

— Posted by Hergor on 8:08 am on Mar. 4, 2002

i’m happy with this site. so why would i need another, me asks? :confused:

sure it needs some updates/improvements and maybe a way to access images in the archives but that’s nothing impossible…

— Posted by XxBULAxX on 12:12 pm on Mar. 4, 2002

This site has all of what you want…so what if the kids get on here, they usually get banned or sumthin NEways…This site is awesome..

— Posted by Darkie on 5:14 pm on Mar. 4, 2002

Yea, newbies suck, but they ARE the future of anarchy. We just weed out the really annoying ones. What we need is not another anarchy website, cause this one is nice and there are hundreds of others. We need people with EXPERIENCE. Not “I read this somewhere” experience but “I read this some where, tried it, it didn’t work, i then made it work, and here is how” experience. Don’t waste your time making another web site that will b just as plagued by the norm, instead go blow something up, and tell us how u did it and what u blew up.

— Posted by deinstein16 on 8:50 am on Mar. 5, 2002

u didn’t understand me i think.The site would not be only anarchy it will contains hacking and cracking and anyone who wants to learn or share sth with someone he could easily do it with this web site.And with all the respect to the creator of this WebSite X-plosiv the site needs a lot to be a very good one,the archives are not complete.And also the computer section suck’s ,it must be update.i said that newbiez with bad intentions and generally kiddies would not be our aim,our aim would be to inform all the people that want to know.We could construct a good team that it will help the underground coz i believe that experienced persons are a lot so let’s find them and share our knowledge.What do you say???

— Posted by Hergor on 9:12 am on Mar. 5, 2002

i understood you very well but i’m just not into “hacking and cracking” and also it’s not a “computer section” but an electronics section, which means that it is far more widespread than only computer-related.
the reason why you didn’t find so much about ‘hacking and cracking’ is that nobody is that much interested in this topic. otherwise they would have asked… 😉

if you say that it would be the aim to inform all that want to know, well, ‘newbiez’ and ‘kiddies’ are a big part of those that like to be informed. ppl who already know about everything wouldn’t need such a forum. that there are always such that cause trouble and disrespect the etiquette is just natural. therefore the rulebook will (hopefully) follow soon…

so i still don’t see a point in creating another site… 🙁

— Posted by AbSoLuTeZeRo on 10:10 am on Mar. 5, 2002

It took me long enough to find this damn website, Im not going to betray it!! That would be a poser thing to do indeed! + every thing I want is here.

— Posted by deinstein16 on 11:33 am on Mar. 5, 2002

You mean that totse is worst than this site  i think you’ve better visit it.i mean to create a web such as totse,and nothing less.Do u get me.A big one a very big.And the recipies that re included in this site are not good except some of them.Firstly a lot of things they say don’t work and secondly are very bad written,without pictures and explanations!!

— Posted by deinstein16 on 11:37 am on Mar. 5, 2002

ohhh and i forgot sth i have never said that i know eveything i just know enough thing to express my opinion.That’s all.

— Posted by Hergor on 12:48 pm on Mar. 5, 2002

deinstein16, you don’t seem to get it.
this site in still very ‘young’ so to say. the archives sure need some improvements if that is what you’re complaining about. so why starting from the bottom if we already have something good at hand?
i’m sure Xpl0siv will find a good way to include images into this site to please you…

also i have visited totse just a minute ago and found out that we’d have a lot of dead ppl if those posters from totse would actually do what they post.
they don’t which you can see if you look at their recipes.
they’re trying to recommend you the dimeric form of AP instead of the trimeric or they say that ANFO explodes at a velocity of 7040 m/s just to mention some things they wanna make you believe. what i wanna say by this is: you should never assume something to be (nearly) perfect (or something) if you can’t proove it. every site has it’s good and bad sides. (btw, if you’d have come over a better recipe on how to make some stuff why not posting it and letting us know instead of to just complaining about it?)

i don’t think totse is worse than bombshock. it’s just made for a different audience. myself, i’ll stay with bombshock. but when you’ve got your site i’m surely gonna drop by. then you may try to convince me of it. at the moment i just don’t see the point… 😉

and i never said that you said that you knew everything. i was just giving a hint that we wouldn’t have any members if all newbies were super-brains with absolute knowledge of what they’re talking about…
i never tried to assault you so calm down… 😉

thus i’ll have to say it a third time: i don’t see why we would need a new site…

— Posted by ilovekayla on 11:50 pm on Mar. 9, 2002

you shouldent talk… darkie your still a newbie as am i, ive read alot of what youve written and your knowledge has only grow somewhat upwards… so shut the fuck up!

— Posted by xenonalieninfo on 8:41 pm on Mar. 20, 2002

yes i will help you ran the site thats all .

At the moment i’am behind a firewall and redirecting of a russian sever, and for some reason NEOTRACE which i got your IP from your email address, it  says you are in america (don’t worry i wont say were) but if you  try to sucker any reads if  this message you  i will rat you out PIG.

— Posted by Ratty on 5:21 pm on Mar. 21, 2002

I’ve only been here a short time but i can allready tell this is one of the best sites out there. the archive library is fukkin huge and the forums boast experienced people that are serious about the cause.( for the most part). If you have anything valuable to show the world, why not contribute it here?

— Posted by Roland49686 on 6:53 pm on Mar. 21, 2002

What Deinstien is trying to do is pick an un-ripe friut.
Okay let me explain this:
Bombshock just entered puberty. It’s balls haven’t dropped yet. But Xplosiv and all the other Moderators are working hard and around the clock on improving this site. When I first got here the forums where clogged and over-flowing with out-of-date threads and there were 2 moderators (not including Xplosiv) Now look at where we are! We are working on the Archives and forums with all our power.
New Material will soon fill our archives like how hot cum fills a tight cunt (bad analagy).
Anyways when bombshock has hairy nuts and a long shlong and a deep voice:
WE SHALL CALL OUT TO ALL THE WEBSITES and say that we are truly a great website. Of course we will also dominate the earth and rape the women….. but thats for the future.
In summary:
Wait untill the final construction is done on the site and we will have something truly warm and good to hold on to.
(drop me a line in the Drugs and Alcohol forum)

— Posted by OoxHighVoltagexoO on 4:09 pm on Mar. 22, 2002

I wanted to comment on the person that said the newbies are the future of “anarchy”…Can you or anyone else explain to me your definition of “anarchy” or what it means to you?? Ive considered myself and anarchist for about 4 years now and try to teach myself as much as I can about the world and everything in it and everything you need to make yourself better and survive as well as help others..But in my book anarchy has nothing to do with bombs or destruction or this web site…Im not trying to be an ass but instead just give my opinion and hope to see yours…PEACE

— Posted by Roland49686 on 4:28 pm on Mar. 22, 2002

Anarchy is no leader.
Where the people decide for themselves and there are no rules. Basicly Guns and Drugs get involved cuz NORMALY people can’t have that.

— Posted by OoxHighVoltagexoO on 4:39 pm on Mar. 22, 2002

Exactly…In my opinion its ashame that people cant work that way and people cant take a good idea (in my mind) and work with it..Government blows and so does the system…

— Posted by Zambosan on 1:01 pm on Mar. 25, 2002

Whine about “the system” all you like (depending upon where you live, you may or may not be justified)… try living in a place where “anarchy” rules and people break down your door to steal your belongings and rape your children on a weekly basis and you’ll be whistling a different tune.

— Posted by XxBULAxX on 5:00 pm on Mar. 25, 2002

That’s probally true Zambosan…Although I’ve never be in a “Anarchy rules” situation, just like 99.9% of the members on this site.  We really don’t know what true anarchy is, or feels like.  Zambosan, have you been or are you in that situation?  I’ve never known Austrailia to be that bad… Let me know

— Posted by Zero the Inestimable on 9:24 pm on Mar. 25, 2002

I find the traditional manifestation of anarchy, on both extremes, is bunk. I consider myself an anarchist, simply for the lack of a better word. I believe strongly in personal freedoms, minimal government, peace and equity for all, and all that nonsense. Part of me knows this is only a pipe dream, and part of me sees this as the only long term solution. It’s a precarious philosophical perch.

What I do know is that the line must be drawn. All the fools that spout their meaningless drivel about “fighting the system” and killing “the pigs” and whatnot are just that – Fools. Its one thing to have a banner to rally under, but its another entirely when that banner is pure foolishness. One must have a firm grip on reality regarding such matters.

~Zero the Inestimable

— Posted by XxBULAxX on 9:29 pm on Mar. 25, 2002

Zero, I can see your point.  But, if there were no government or organized society, you just like others would most likely be dead… just a thought

— Posted by thephreak on 3:35 pm on Mar. 27, 2002

People NEED ‘the system’  and ‘pigs’ , zambosan is completely right in that no one would like true anarchy. We need rules and boundries or the world would fall to bits, If there were none we’d be treated like slaves for the rich who would beat us into submission with money and guns. Personally i believe that we should simply concentrate on rooting out the corruption and injustices from our governments.

— Posted by Roland49686 on 3:46 pm on Mar. 27, 2002

Why would we need them? Thats gay. All we need is food, shelter, and clothing. Really.

(Edited by Roland49686 at 4:47 pm on Mar. 27, 2002)

— Posted by xenonalieninfo on 10:08 pm on Mar. 27, 2002

zambosan  just try and send a whole lot of anarchys onto my propitey and see how many will be albe to give you a mission briefing

— Posted by Hergor on 5:57 am on Mar. 28, 2002

hey xenonalieninfo, a mission briefing is before the mission starts. i wonder how many anarchists will hold on to briefings, especially de-breifings when set loose… :biggrin: (but the term ‘anarchist’ is not very clearly defined, so maybe some so-called ‘anarchists’ will…)

and i wouldn’t be so sure on your point… one rule is:
there’s always someone better than you and if there isn’t luck’s gonna betray you…

— Posted by Lord Storm on 8:35 am on Mar. 28, 2002

Why would we need them? Thats gay. All we need is food, shelter, and clothing. Really.

People DO need govt. They CANNOT support themselves. The govt is a shepherd(sp?), the people the sheep. The sheep cannot control the corruption of the shepherd(sp?) nor can they survive without him. If the shepherd(sp?) leaves the herd untended then the wolves come in and start picking them off…in fear, the sheep break, turn against each other. So you see Roland, govt is needed.

— Posted by Zero the Inestimable on 9:39 am on Mar. 28, 2002

Right. But the major argument is in what form?

~Zero the Inestimable

— Posted by Zambosan on 11:32 am on Mar. 28, 2002

That’s the job of natural selection to decide. 🙂
I’m a proponent of lean government. I believe in as few laws as possible, because we do such a poor job at a long-term view and pass laws that have all sorts of unintended consequences. Enforcement is important, but only within to confines of existing laws… no cavalier cops or legislation from the judicial bench. But hey, that’s all idealism… thephreak is right; bite the bullet, if you don’t like it work to change it.

xenonalieninfo: they allow 10-year olds to own property in NZ? Wow.

(Edited by Zambosan at 3:29 pm on Mar. 28, 2002)

— Posted by Roland49686 on 2:31 pm on Mar. 28, 2002

Do they really? I’m moving!

— Posted by kingpin on 10:11 pm on Mar. 28, 2002

Zambosan are you from australia?
i am from a little piece of hell known as frankston in victroria. of coarse its no were near as bad as it used to be but alot of places around here are shit holes the suburb of sommerville were alot of my friends live os now heavily patroled by police every night because of a riot about 3 weeks ago were something like 300 people (who were all fucked off their heads of coarse) stop a bus in the middle of the road and attacked it and then when police came they attacked the police cars and trashed some stores (anarchy baby) and alot of places around getting worse by the day.
some of my friends ( me included) favourite things to do are breaking and entering and pilfering from cars, two days ago my house was burgled while my mum was out of the house for 15 mins she was only gone for that long and someone had broken in.
australia home of anarchy.

— Posted by clichit on 2:37 pm on Mar. 29, 2002

If you are going to make a web site on this subject it needs to have more than any of the others ,which would take forever to do. If you make an inferior web site, you might as well not make one at all. But if you can find and gather enough info. from other people and other sites, you might as well try. Now I’m not being disloyal to this site, But I think I could help you. It just depends on if you can gather both enough people and enough info.

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