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— Posted by JaMeZz34 on 2:13 pm on Mar. 25, 2002

What are Good ways of Picking these without using a set? i keep hearing about these complicated terms for the different types of picks you have to insert while turning this etc. Could any1 define or explain the routines?


— Posted by ghettopimp70 on 3:22 pm on Mar. 25, 2002

The basic idea for picking a lock is you first insert a tension wrench, which is a small thin piece of metal with a 90 degree turn at the end (making it L-shaped) with that you apply pressure in the direction that a key would normally turn. Next you put in a lockpick and starting from the back, lift each pin indivudually. Shit why am i explaining this the best place to go to learn is on that http://www.howstuffworks.com/lock-picking.htm. It is so easy to understand lockpicking after visiting that site

— Posted by JaMeZz34 on 7:01 pm on Mar. 25, 2002

ive tried that site, except it only gives info on tumbler locks, not warded locks

— Posted by ghettopimp70 on 10:56 pm on Mar. 25, 2002

I dunno then. Have u tried MIT

— Posted by knightmedia on 2:03 am on Mar. 26, 2002

The MIT guide is all tumbler locks, too. Warded locks are wafer-based, and you HAVE to use a warded pick set to pick them. They’re quite a bit harder to learn (I’ve never tried) than pin tumblers, but from what I understand you HAVE to use the warded pick set. You can’t feel or here the pins set like you can with a pin tumbler.

— Posted by myachi on 3:29 am on Mar. 26, 2002

I pretty sure that you only need warded picks to open the lock. From my understanding you just put the right pick jn and turn and it will open just like you used the key. Warded locks are old locks mostly used in padlocks which is why there so easy to open with the right picks.(Warded Picks)

— Posted by johnny 99 on 3:50 am on Mar. 26, 2002

Your thinking of wafer tumbler  locks knight, ie. most auto locks. Warded locks are some of te easiest locks around to pick. But it’s even easier to make a set of skeleton keys to open them. Back to that in a minute. A ward, is just a guard that keeps the key from turning in the keyway. Unless the key has a cut out to let it rotate past the ward. they don’t lift at all. the only part that concerns us is the lever at the back of the keyway (there are either 1 or 2 depending on the lock.) that the wards protect. Some examples of warded locks are; handcuffs, the master padlocks with the keyhole that looks lik a zigzag lightning bolt, and the OLD doorlocks that you see in three stooges movies where the key sticks out of the lock like a handle. You can order a set of warded lock skeleton keys from the same places that sell lockpicks for about $20 or you can make your own like this. Go buy yourself 2 medium warded padlocks . look at the keys they won’t have different heights on the edge like your door key, but instead will have several notches all cut to the same depth. Now file everythig of down to the depth of the notches or a little below, except for the last set of flanges at the very tip. YOU should now have a strait shank with a cross on the very tip of the key. that is your single lever skeleton key! test it on the other lock to make sure that it works. for the double lever key, do exactly the same thing except you want to leave the last 2 sets of arms. if the scond set is very wide, just file it all off except for the last 3/16 of an inch closest to the first set. s that it looks like a cross with a double set of arms. now do exactly the same with a set of keys from a large warded lock and you have a set of skeletonkeys that will open 85% of the warded padlocks in the world.for doors you can buy a set of skeleton keys a the hardware store for $2 for handcuffs I find that a blowgun wire with a 30% bend about a 1/4 inch from the end works very well. These are not picks you don’t need a tension wrench. just insert the key into the lock and turn gently, the lock should spring open. if it doesn’t, try the next one. one of them will open it if you’ve done a good jobof making them. GOOD LUCK!  

(Edited by johnny 99 at 9:06 am on Mar. 26, 2002)

— Posted by JaMeZz34 on 4:41 am on Mar. 26, 2002

kool, but when u said you could buy skeleton keys for locks on doors (thats what im trying to pick) do they come with no notches?, I dont know about you but im in the UK so would they sell them in B&Q or Homebase, if u have heard of them??

— Posted by johnny 99 on 4:55 am on Mar. 26, 2002

I don’t know about the UK, They probably do it will be two gold colore antique looking keys near the key rings etc. if you cant find them, get another warded door key, and file away every thing but the one or two bits that contact the lever at the very end of the lock. yu may have to play with it a bit. Or get a piece of coathanger wire, and put a 90% bend about 3/8 of a inch from the end. then probe the lock with it to see if you can pick it. push it allthe way in and turn,you should feal it give against the spring loded lever. if it opens fine, if not then it probably has 2 levers and you wll have to depress the first one and then while holding tension on the door knob, pull the pick out past the ward and do the sme again to the second lever. I hope you understand what I’m saying, I’s 3 am here and I think that I’m not making as much sense as I could be. sorry

— Posted by JaMeZz34 on 8:21 am on Mar. 26, 2002

would that be a kind of trial and error thing, would it take like days or hours????


— Posted by johnny 99 on 12:04 pm on Mar. 26, 2002

Yes it might ,depending on whether or not you have practiced o a similar  lock, how well you understand what I have written, and how lucky you are. try to find a similar lock to practice on, once you understand what is happening and have done it once or twice. These locks are easy as pie to open. I can’t draw for shit on here, But I will look around on the web, and see if I can find you a site with some pictures.

— Posted by somefukinsnapov on 6:53 am on Mar. 29, 2002

my view on the whole page…..:biggrin:

do u guys actually know what warding is????

warding in the correct term.. brooching.. ie the shape of the keys and not depths of cuts….

let it be known that u can use a standard rake ..pick..in most brooches. The warding as u put it, does vary in shapes and thickness but still allows pins/wafers to perform inside the chamber /cylinder as a normal lock.

Therefore its not about listening or feeling,its knowing what product u need to face…


— Posted by johnny 99 on 3:24 am on Mar. 30, 2002

First of all who said anything about the depth of the cut? Second warding IS the correct term. a ward is the gate or gates that the key must bypass to engage the locking mechanism, wards are IN the lock not on the key, hence a warded lock. Third neither a search on google or in my ref. dictionary turned up the word (brooching) . Although it does seem like I have heard the word. Fourth , Why do you say “brooching ie; the shape of the keys” and then below that write “u can use a standard rake pick in most brooches..” This makes no sense! How can you use a rake pick on a key? finally, a standard rake pick will not work on warded locks, as rakes are designed to lift the pins to their shear line. And warded locks don’t have pins. I have a post earlier in this thread that shows this if in doubt either check it, (it has pictures) or do a search on the web. I think you will find that warding IS the correct term.                                                                                                PS. What country are you in? perhaps it’s a diferent word in yours.

(Edited by johnny 99 at 8:32 am on Mar. 30, 2002)

— Posted by JaMeZz34 on 4:38 pm on Mar. 31, 2002

out of a matter of interest…………is there sum way to get things open (suitcase, bike chain) that have a combination lock??????


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